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Father of Guantánamo Bay prisoner speaks with WSWS
By Richard Phillips
13 January 2005
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This month marks three years since David Hicks, a 29-year-old
Australian citizen, was incarcerated in Guantánamo Bay.
Hicks was captured by Afghanistans Northern Alliance
near Kunduz and handed over to the US military in December 2001.
He was transported to Guantánamo Bay in January 2002.
The Bush administration refused to classify Hicks or any
of the more than 550 detainees currently held in the US military
jail as prisoners of war. Instead, it concocted a new categoryunlawful
combatantsand on this basis denied them their
legal and democratic rights under the Geneva Convention.
Hicks is one of four prisoners facing trial before a military
commission. These tribunalswhich accept evidence obtained
through tortureviolate international law, the US Constitution
and centuries of legal principle.
Hicks has pleaded not guilty to all charges and recently
issued an affidavit alleging that American interrogators beat
him. Detailed reports by the Red Cross and internal US government
documents establish that Guantánamo Bay detainees have
been physically and psychologically abused.
Over the past three years Terry Hicks, Davids father,
has conducted a determined fight to secure his sons
repatriation. This campaign has been primarily directed against
the Howard government, which has slavishly defended the Bush administrations
violation of democratic rights. Senior Australian cabinet ministers,
who have publicly declared Hicks to be a terrorist, continue to
deny the mounting evidence that the US is abusing war prisoners.
Attempts by the Howard government to politically marginalise
Terry Hicks have failed. Last year Hicks was nominated for the
Australian Father of the Year award and in December was invited
to participate in the 150th anniversary of the Eureka Stockadethe
historic rebellion of Ballarat gold miners in Victoria, Australia.
The short-lived 1854 uprising issued a number of demands
for basic democratic rights, including the right to vote and an
end to police attacks on the miners. While military and police
officers brutally crushed the revolt, killing 30 miners, popular
support for the rebellion forced the government to make a number
of democratic reforms.
Howard government MPs, including Foreign Affairs Minister
Alexander Downer and Treasurer Peter Costello, as well as the
Victorian state Labor Premier Steve Bracks attacked the Eureka
commemoration organisers for inviting Hicks. Downer claimed that
by asking Hicks to be a leading participant in the traditional
dawn march, event organisers were aligning themselves with Al
Qaeda terrorism.
Terry Hicks spoke with the World Socialist Web Site
at the end of December 2004 about some of his political experiences
over the past year.
Richard Phillips: Three years ago, when David was first
detained, you had to face a barrage of media distortions and government
attacks. How did you deal with it?
Terry Hicks: The first six months, with all the media
distortions and lies, was absolutely horrendous. The point I couldnt
come to terms with, and never will, was the Howard government
declaring David to be a terrorist, and guilty, before he had been
charged with anything, seen a lawyer or even faced a court. My
argument has always been that everyone should be given their legal
rights and a proper trial held to determine whether they are innocent
or guilty.
All this was very hard to cope with and that didnt really
change until I started to speak out at meetings and forums and
began explaining how the US was really treating people. Eventually,
public opinion, like a pendulum, started swinging and then crossed
the centre mark into our field.
RP: When did it begin to change?
TH: After about 12 months. Up until then the situation
seemed to be totally negative, and although there were some who
realised that Davids treatment was wrong, they were a minority.
The government kept making accusations, but as time passed more
and more people began to question why David was still incarcerated
and why he hadnt been charged with anything.
After about 18 months a large majority had changed their opinions.
The redneck mentality we used to hear calling for David to be
hanged or shot, receded into the background. Today, although you
still get this sort of reaction, it is rare.
RP: Was this related to opposition to the US invasion
of Iraq?
TH: Yes, that was a factor. Howards decision to
send troops to Iraq and go all the way with Bush was and is very
unpopular. A lot of people, particularly those with teenage sons,
began to worry whether it would be a repeat of the disaster in
Vietnam and would lead to conscription. I received letters from
people who didnt want their sons dragged into occupying
someone elses country.
We also started to get support from the over-60s age group,
who knew what war was all about. I thought it would be difficult
getting backing from this layer but they were very firm that we
shouldnt be in Iraq. Australia was not under any threat
from Iraq and yet we were dragged into Americas war against
terrorism, as Mr Bush calls it, and for what? It had nothing to
with defence but was a straight-out takeover of a country and
its oil.
People also started getting concerned about Howards so-called
anti-terror legislation, which gives the police the right to invade
your home if someone decides that youre suspicious. This
was a definite invasion of privacy and many began to wonder what
this was all about. Ive had a lot of questions about these
laws at meetings and forums.
Most of these laws are directed against other cultures resident
in Australia, the Muslims in particular. Its like going
back to the McCarthy period, when the communists were witchhunted
and kept down at all costs. But the public is not stupid. Theyve
been told all sorts of rubbish by the government and now they
want to hear the other side.
Many were shocked about the military tribunals, but then came
the Abu Ghraib torture pictures. Now theres something in
the media every day about US torture and this information is from
FBI agents and even some Guantánamo Bay guards. There are
credible people within the US military who are ashamed at what
their country is doing.
RP: Whats your response to the election results
in Australia and the US?
TH: Obviously we hoped for a change of government in
both countries. I thought Bush was gone, but its difficult
to really know what goes on in America, and I was disappointed
with the Australian election results.
Howard played a very devious game. He knows darn well that
young married people these days have to take out three or four
hundred thousand dollar loans to buy a house and so a small increase
in interest rates would create real problems. Most of the young
people that I know are just managing to make their monthly payments.
If there was a $30 to $40 increase theyd be gone.
So Howards campaign was targeted to scare these people
by claiming that Labor would increase interest rates. Unfortunately
many of them dont stop and think that the government doesnt
control the interest rates, the banks do. Labor should have countered
this by raising hell about the so-called terrorism issue.
RP: But they said nothing on Iraq, the war on terror
or the illegal treatment of David.
TH: Yes, they shut up on all the important issues.
I spoke to [Labor leader] Mark Lathams aide in Ballarat
and told him that Latham should have jumped up and down and called
for a fully independent inquiry into the treatment of David and
Mamdouh Habib. He should have slammed his fist down on the table
during the official election debate and demanded this.
I spoke to Latham during a radio phone-in a few months after
he became ALP leader and he told me that if Labor was elected
he would make sure the Australians in Guantánamo Bay were
brought home. A lot of people remembered this. But when it came
to the election campaign Latham said nothing about this.
RP: They have no real differences with the government
on these issues.
TH: Thats right. They supported the anti-terrorism
laws and kept their mouths shut during the campaign, which played
right into Howards hands.
RP: Although reelected, these governments have little
popular support. Howards denigration of David and your efforts
to free him have failed. Your nomination as Father of the Year
and invitation to the Eureka Rebellion celebrations are indications
of this.
TH: Participation in the Eureka Rebellion events was
important. The organisers asked me to be the Leading Lightthe
person who lights the first candle on the dawn march.
Once the government found out they became very worried. Michael
Ronaldson, a Liberal MP from Ballarat, was used to attack me.
He claimed that I had no right to be there and would use the event
as a political football. Howard, Downer and Costello chimed in
and said I was blackening the spirit of Eureka and shouldnt
have been invited.
Various people said they were going to stop me. We were told
that someone was going to walk alongside me on the march with
a loud hailer in my ear. But the day before we travelled there,
one of my relatives in the Ballarat and Bendigo area phoned and
told me that my great-great grandfather, George Henry Hicks,
had been involved in the Eureka Stockade in 1854.
When I arrived in Ballarat, one of the guys who wanted to stop
me attending slapped me on the back and shook my hand after hed
heard that I was related to one of the Eureka rebels. I asked,
Whats this turnaround all about? He said, Youre
a descendant. My reply was Youre a hypocrite.
But he was OK in the end.
Only one person interrupted my speech at the end of the march.
He drowned out the first part and so the organisers asked me to
start it again. I agreed, but told the crowd of about 3,000 that
the heckler had his rights under democratic law and as long as
he wasnt physical he could vent his feelings. I then explained
that I had the same rights and invited him to see me after Id
spoken. The crowd went deathly quiet and I continued my speech.
I told the audience that our struggle for Davids basic
rights was based on the same democratic principles that the Eureka
Stockade fought for 150 years ago. Democracy in Australia began
with this rebelliontheir struggle against injustice began
when they decided to take matters into their own hands.
In my view theres not much democracy left in Australia.
The right to have a say, the Australian fair go system
is just about gone. You now have government ministers declaring
someone is guilty of terrorism, before that person is charged
or even put on trial. Theyve got the right to say this,
but if I get up to defend my son and his rights, the government
treats me like the worst person in the world and refuses to even
speak to me.
This is the situation we face today, I told the crowd, and
the treatment of David and other Guantánamo Bay prisoners
shows that weve gone backwards. I was given an ovation after
the speech.
Overall the Howard government shot itself in the foot over
the Eureka anniversary. In fact, what they said put a lot of people
on side with us. And this support is growing. In the last 12 months
Ive spoken at meetings across the countryin Perth,
Melbourne and Sydney a couple of times, Brisbane, the Latrobe
Valley, Newcastle and of course Ballarat.
The Father of the Year issue was another indication. Although
I didnt win the award, it was a great honour to be nominated.
The government probably has a big say in who was chosen, so naturally
enough I wouldnt have been their first choice.
RP: Whats the current situation with Davids
military trial?
TH: There is supposed to be another motions hearing
this month and a commission hearing scheduled for March 15, but
we dont know whether that is going ahead or not because
of recent US court decisions. Its very complicated and confusing.
The Howard government claims that the delay in one of the military
trials of another Guantánamo Bay prisoner will not affect
Davids trial, but they have no say in the matter. What the
US courts have done for one prisoner should apply to all the others.
But at this stage we dont know.
Ive had no direct contact with him since our visit in
August, but weve sent various letters, including Christmas
greetings and that sort of thing. Ive told him that were
sending over a helicopter, so he should be pleased with that.
Whatever happens, he knows that we are still campaigning.
RP: And your message for supporters for the year ahead?
TH: Id like to thank everyone for all their help
and to say that weve only been able to move forward because
of this. Everyone should understand this is going to be a long
struggle, but as long as the backing is there for David, and he
knows about it, itll keep him in good stead and it helps
to keep me going as well. We also hope that those who have organised
meetings and forums for us will continue to do so, not just about
the situation facing David, but the range of democratic rights
now under attack.
See Also:
David Hicks details
abuse in Guantánamo Bay
[18 December 2004]
Guantánamo
Bay trial of David Hicks adjourned
[9 November 2004]
Father of Australian
Guantánamo Bay prisoner denounces Howard government
[14 September 2004]
Hicks pleads not guilty
at Guantánamo Bay kangaroo court
[1 September 2004]
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